Watch Taylor Swift Say She Feels More Loyal to Her Country Roots Than Ever & Whip Up an Eras Tour-Coded Surprise Piano Mash-Up

Taylor Swift has made a name for herself as a singer/songwriter for the past two decades exploring different genres of music, including pop, indie, country and other styles. But she says her country roots have only become more meaningful to her over time.

During a conversation at the Grammy Museum presented by the Recording Academy’s Songwriters & Composers Wing on Aug. 18 (which was just released in full on YouTube), Swift fondly reflected on the songwriter she was when she released her debut single, “Tim McGraw,” and the artist she has become nearly two decades later. When asked by Recording Academy CEO Harvey Mason jr. what has remained the same and what has changed between herself then and now, Swift pointed to the country foundation that assisted in the launching of her career.

“I’ve loved — and I think this can happen as you grow up — my country roots more and more,” Swift said. “The further along this path I get, I want to honor them more and more, and I feel more and more tied and more loyal to them — the people that shaped who I am as an artist and as a writer.”

Those roots, Swift noted, trace back to Nashville, where she developed her identity as a songwriter. Earlier in the conversation, she recalled becoming fascinated with the city at around age 10 after learning that Faith Hill had been discovered at the Bluebird Cafe. Swift made it a personal goal to perform at the famed Nashville venue, while also teaching herself instruments and writing songs by studying the structures of the music she loved.

That early immersion in country music did influence the picturesque storytelling that would become one of the distinctive and beloved attributes of Swift’s songwriting. Looking back at “Tim McGraw,” she pointed to elements of the song that seemingly foreshadowed the kind of writer she would eventually become, including character work, vivid detailing and the way the song moves through time.

“I was 16 putting out an album in country music that was all about my life as a kid in high school,” Swift explained during the conversation, recalling how some people around her questioned whether a teenager writing about her own life would connect with country’s music presumed audience. She decided to trust her instincts rather than conforming to those expectations.

Swift famously pushed far beyond the country genre once her debut album ignited. Audiences first saw her experimenting with her 2012 album Red, straying away from traditional collaborators and sounds before she made her official pop pivot with 2014’s 1989, both of which debuted atop the Billboard 200. Even as her music evolved, however, the songwriting principles she refined in Nashville remained part of her creative groundwork.

She pointed to “Mean,” from 2010’s Speak Now, as one example of how her country background directly influenced her approach. At the time, one criticism she was hearing was that she wasn’t “country enough,” so she responded by leaning into the genre’s sonic characteristics, joking that she put “just as much banjo on this as we can possibly put.”

That willingness to experiment did lead her to some of the more unexpected genre combinations of her career. Swift spoke about bringing the earworm hit “I Knew You Were Trouble.” to Max Martin and Shellback as a sad piano ballad, only for the producers to suggest turning it into somewhat of a dubstep-influenced track. She agreed to try it, and the result become the biggest turning point of her moving away from the country genre.

Nearly 20 years after “Tim McGraw,” Swift seems to be looking back at her country beginnings with renewed appreciation.

Watch the full conversation with The Recording Academy below.

In addition to the Q&A with Mason, Swift also threw things back to her Eras Tour days by mashing up her Toy Story 5 song “I Knew It, I Knew You,” “August” and “All Too Well” on the very piano she brought out for the acoustic section of that show. Watch the full mash-up below: